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		<title>By: Ace Andres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ace Andres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a comment on the charity thing.  I&#039;ve heard many popular business speakers as well as Icons like Tony Robbins preach about giving away or giving back to charity a portion of what you earn or recieve.

But I think it was best explained by one of the &quot;Secret&quot; talking heads that said: &quot; If you create a void in the universe; the universe will refill it and then some&quot;.   And of course the Bible teaches that what we sow, we shall reap 10 fold.

I believe this is a principal that works.  I also heard a complementing definition of greed the other day.  Someone said that greed is not the wanting of more and more money, rather it is the holding on to the money you have and refusing to reinvest it to create more money.

His principal was: &quot;Money only has value if you use it&quot;.  If you stick it between your mattres, it becomes &quot;Paper&quot;.  If you put it to work in a T-Bill, it has value.  etc....  You get the Idea.

Not saying these are my beliefs, but I believe part of it to be universal principals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a comment on the charity thing.  I&#8217;ve heard many popular business speakers as well as Icons like Tony Robbins preach about giving away or giving back to charity a portion of what you earn or recieve.</p>
<p>But I think it was best explained by one of the &#8220;Secret&#8221; talking heads that said: &#8221; If you create a void in the universe; the universe will refill it and then some&#8221;.   And of course the Bible teaches that what we sow, we shall reap 10 fold.</p>
<p>I believe this is a principal that works.  I also heard a complementing definition of greed the other day.  Someone said that greed is not the wanting of more and more money, rather it is the holding on to the money you have and refusing to reinvest it to create more money.</p>
<p>His principal was: &#8220;Money only has value if you use it&#8221;.  If you stick it between your mattres, it becomes &#8220;Paper&#8221;.  If you put it to work in a T-Bill, it has value.  etc&#8230;.  You get the Idea.</p>
<p>Not saying these are my beliefs, but I believe part of it to be universal principals.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul: I believe Helene Hadsell is valuable to contest creators because a percentage of her connections is referred back to them and this creates exposure. In her case I believe the percentage is relatively high. btw, I have a relative who does exactly the same thing. But I don&#039;t believe I could do it myself :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul: I believe Helene Hadsell is valuable to contest creators because a percentage of her connections is referred back to them and this creates exposure. In her case I believe the percentage is relatively high. btw, I have a relative who does exactly the same thing. But I don&#8217;t believe I could do it myself <img src='http://www.paulymath.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, your last sentence, &quot;Meaning, if you try to project YOUR values and beliefs onto other people, you are met with resistance and it makes it hard to communicate&quot;. It would be nice if every one was mindful of that fact on a regular basis. It appears to me that projected values on others is one of the basis for so much war, hatred and other not nice things that have occurred through out history and that still cause problems today. I would like to believe that every one would agree that if we made more efforts in seeing the similarities we all share instead on focusing on the differences, this world would be better off. I think that to a larger extent everyone believes in the same thing (peace, love, happiness, freedom, even maybe what one calls a god)but identifies with different terminology and or rituals. That may come across as a rather elementary statement or point of view to some but I guess since I have thought that way since elementary school it is understandable......Peeaace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, your last sentence, &#8220;Meaning, if you try to project YOUR values and beliefs onto other people, you are met with resistance and it makes it hard to communicate&#8221;. It would be nice if every one was mindful of that fact on a regular basis. It appears to me that projected values on others is one of the basis for so much war, hatred and other not nice things that have occurred through out history and that still cause problems today. I would like to believe that every one would agree that if we made more efforts in seeing the similarities we all share instead on focusing on the differences, this world would be better off. I think that to a larger extent everyone believes in the same thing (peace, love, happiness, freedom, even maybe what one calls a god)but identifies with different terminology and or rituals. That may come across as a rather elementary statement or point of view to some but I guess since I have thought that way since elementary school it is understandable&#8230;&#8230;Peeaace!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Piotrowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Piotrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Desk Coder: LOL.  I never said I believe any of the things I wrote above, or that I don&#039;t believe them.  I just gave examples of certain beliefs that people may have when talking to them.

If I was having a conversation with you, and I really wanted to connect and understand your point of view, I would have to see things from your set of values and beliefs.  Obviously one of those would be:

&quot;God only gives us what He knows we need, there is no belief that if I give money to God, he will give me back more money. He gives us back much more important things, like eternal life.&quot;

I can also discern from your beliefs that you believe in God and Eternal life, and most probably tithing.  That&#039;s cool, those are your beliefs.

Now, can you see if you were speaking to someone that is an atheist, doesn&#039;t believe in eternal life or giving any money to church or charity, you&#039;d probably have a hard time communicating if you were hard and rigid with your beliefs?

Meaning, if you try to project YOUR values and beliefs onto other people, you are met with resistance and it makes it hard to communicate.

:)

-Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Desk Coder: LOL.  I never said I believe any of the things I wrote above, or that I don&#8217;t believe them.  I just gave examples of certain beliefs that people may have when talking to them.</p>
<p>If I was having a conversation with you, and I really wanted to connect and understand your point of view, I would have to see things from your set of values and beliefs.  Obviously one of those would be:</p>
<p>&#8220;God only gives us what He knows we need, there is no belief that if I give money to God, he will give me back more money. He gives us back much more important things, like eternal life.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can also discern from your beliefs that you believe in God and Eternal life, and most probably tithing.  That&#8217;s cool, those are your beliefs.</p>
<p>Now, can you see if you were speaking to someone that is an atheist, doesn&#8217;t believe in eternal life or giving any money to church or charity, you&#8217;d probably have a hard time communicating if you were hard and rigid with your beliefs?</p>
<p>Meaning, if you try to project YOUR values and beliefs onto other people, you are met with resistance and it makes it hard to communicate.<br />
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		<title>By: Desk Coder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desk Coder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, you are way off in your thinking of tithing and giving money to your church.  God only gives us what He knows we need, there is no belief that if I give money to God, he will give me back more money.  He gives us back much more important things, like eternal life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you are way off in your thinking of tithing and giving money to your church.  God only gives us what He knows we need, there is no belief that if I give money to God, he will give me back more money.  He gives us back much more important things, like eternal life.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all a relative sense of perception. But isn&#039;t perception coming from learned prejudices that are ingrained from past experiences, which some may say are just illusions any way? If so than those experiences never really happened, because there isn&#039;t an actual &quot;I&quot; or a &quot;we&quot; to experience an experience. I think Nicolas makes some good points about awareness........If it existed. What was said about the concept of money and this law of attraction I kinda follow but don&#039;t know from personal experience. I&#039;m still broke despite my efforts,dreams and thoughts of being financially independent and free (could it be my Karma?). But The rest of my life I&#039;m fulfilled and happy. Would be nice to know the bills would always be paid and maybe travel more often though. When it comes to charity hell yea I give what and when I can if I can. As far as a predetermined universe...maybe. There&#039;s alot I don&#039;t understand, but I&#039;m trying, and more I dont know but as relative or definite as one may believe things to be, I do believe that every moment is perfect. Great post! Get people thinking, questioning and investigating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all a relative sense of perception. But isn&#8217;t perception coming from learned prejudices that are ingrained from past experiences, which some may say are just illusions any way? If so than those experiences never really happened, because there isn&#8217;t an actual &#8220;I&#8221; or a &#8220;we&#8221; to experience an experience. I think Nicolas makes some good points about awareness&#8230;&#8230;..If it existed. What was said about the concept of money and this law of attraction I kinda follow but don&#8217;t know from personal experience. I&#8217;m still broke despite my efforts,dreams and thoughts of being financially independent and free (could it be my Karma?). But The rest of my life I&#8217;m fulfilled and happy. Would be nice to know the bills would always be paid and maybe travel more often though. When it comes to charity hell yea I give what and when I can if I can. As far as a predetermined universe&#8230;maybe. There&#8217;s alot I don&#8217;t understand, but I&#8217;m trying, and more I dont know but as relative or definite as one may believe things to be, I do believe that every moment is perfect. Great post! Get people thinking, questioning and investigating.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Piotrowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Piotrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bud:  Spirituality is usually the place where we have to be the most aware of the other person&#039;s beliefs.  A lot of people are afraid to discuss the topic of Spirituality for fear of offending someone, but it&#039;s a great place to gain a lot of insight into who you are speaking with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bud:  Spirituality is usually the place where we have to be the most aware of the other person&#8217;s beliefs.  A lot of people are afraid to discuss the topic of Spirituality for fear of offending someone, but it&#8217;s a great place to gain a lot of insight into who you are speaking with.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Piotrowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Piotrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nicholas:  I couldn&#039;t even imagine actually dropping all beliefs, but I&#039;m sure it would be a very profound experience.  The closest I&#039;ve seen to a system of doing that is A Course in Miracles.  Instead of eliminating individual beliefs, it slowly takes apart the foundations for all of our pre-assumptions / beliefs.

Very interesting concept with the stillness of the awareness.  Another way I like to think of it is dreaming.  In our dreams we may be running around in a building, but in &quot;reality&quot; we&#039;re just lying there in bed not moving.  It is only the illusion of running, but really our consciousness never moves in a dream. Well, like you mentioned in your comment, what makes us think that &quot;real life&quot; is any different?

When it comes to meaningful conversations, luckily we usually just need to &quot;relax&quot; a few of our beliefs not entirely drop everything.  It&#039;s amazing how much easier it is to have a conversation with someone when we just become aware that it&#039;s OK for them to have their own beliefs and values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nicholas:  I couldn&#8217;t even imagine actually dropping all beliefs, but I&#8217;m sure it would be a very profound experience.  The closest I&#8217;ve seen to a system of doing that is A Course in Miracles.  Instead of eliminating individual beliefs, it slowly takes apart the foundations for all of our pre-assumptions / beliefs.</p>
<p>Very interesting concept with the stillness of the awareness.  Another way I like to think of it is dreaming.  In our dreams we may be running around in a building, but in &#8220;reality&#8221; we&#8217;re just lying there in bed not moving.  It is only the illusion of running, but really our consciousness never moves in a dream. Well, like you mentioned in your comment, what makes us think that &#8220;real life&#8221; is any different?</p>
<p>When it comes to meaningful conversations, luckily we usually just need to &#8220;relax&#8221; a few of our beliefs not entirely drop everything.  It&#8217;s amazing how much easier it is to have a conversation with someone when we just become aware that it&#8217;s OK for them to have their own beliefs and values.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Powiull</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Powiull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience what you believe is what you will experience because you are ignorant to seeing any other opportunities that do not fit in that belief box.

What if someone dropped every belief they had about life, what would life become then?

What if we payed no attention to our thoughts as anything significant (re-patterned thoughts seem to be the cause of beliefs)? What if we stopped energizing out thoughts?

What would remain if all thoughts were seen as nothing but a passing cloud of utterances and noise that don&#039;t matter (drop the label of thoughts, drop all the words and all thoughts becomes nothing but voiceless noises that make no sense, just utterances)?

My point is, that this life is a mystery and nobody has the answers to it, but we all think we do. We call this a body and that a chair, but those are just labels to make a feel better. What if we dropped all the labels? We wouldn&#039;t know what the hell things are, in fact we don&#039;t know anyhow. That chair could have been called &#039;elfamanic&#039; and we would be comfortable with that word. Words/thoughts/labels/beliefs/concepts..etc they are there to make us so comfortable and feel as if we know something about this life....

What happens when we drop it all and start fresh and new, from an innocent perspective with no assumptions?

If we did that, the biggest question of all would arise and it&#039;s not: &#039;What is life?&#039;, that is secondary. The biggest question of all: Who Am I? If we were to innocently look at who we are without the role: mom, husband, teacher, cab driver, christian, etc.. You would still be here rather those names/roles existed referring to you or not.

Most people think they are this little person in the head that is connected to the 5 senses. They think they are that body looking out the eyes and behind the eyes is who they are, but how can that be? The eyes are stimulus response to the brain. Maybe we are the brain? But how could that be, there is nothing inside the brain, the whole system of the brain is stimulus in response. Who the hell are you? Where is your location? Is it in the body?

I think if people investigate this by dropping all beliefs, they will find out that they are not who they were programmed to belief they are. There doesn&#039;t seem to be anybody there running that machine we call a body. What the hell are we? What the hell are we doing? Is there really anything to be done?

If we get rid of the belief in the label: &#039;empty-space&#039;, it all becomes connected. If we get rid of the idea that there is someone inside this body thing, it all becomes pure awareness of what is. Then what is seen is that this awareness doesn&#039;t move, it can&#039;t move because everywhere the body seemly walks, it&#039;s still there. It&#039;s like a watching a movie screen and you see your legs moving as the images/appearances on the screen change. However the legs are not moving on the movie screen but the images are just changing. It seems like we are walking because it we feel the legs moving across the floor but feelings come and go and change just like the moving images on a movie screen. This awareness seems to just be sitting there doing nothing be being aware of the changing movie screen.

I don&#039;t believe this is the case, but it&#039;s my experience once I dropped all beliefs. Oneness is not a concept, it&#039;s what is seen/experienced when all concepts are dropped.

Just something to ponder...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience what you believe is what you will experience because you are ignorant to seeing any other opportunities that do not fit in that belief box.</p>
<p>What if someone dropped every belief they had about life, what would life become then?</p>
<p>What if we payed no attention to our thoughts as anything significant (re-patterned thoughts seem to be the cause of beliefs)? What if we stopped energizing out thoughts?</p>
<p>What would remain if all thoughts were seen as nothing but a passing cloud of utterances and noise that don&#8217;t matter (drop the label of thoughts, drop all the words and all thoughts becomes nothing but voiceless noises that make no sense, just utterances)?</p>
<p>My point is, that this life is a mystery and nobody has the answers to it, but we all think we do. We call this a body and that a chair, but those are just labels to make a feel better. What if we dropped all the labels? We wouldn&#8217;t know what the hell things are, in fact we don&#8217;t know anyhow. That chair could have been called &#8216;elfamanic&#8217; and we would be comfortable with that word. Words/thoughts/labels/beliefs/concepts..etc they are there to make us so comfortable and feel as if we know something about this life&#8230;.</p>
<p>What happens when we drop it all and start fresh and new, from an innocent perspective with no assumptions?</p>
<p>If we did that, the biggest question of all would arise and it&#8217;s not: &#8216;What is life?&#8217;, that is secondary. The biggest question of all: Who Am I? If we were to innocently look at who we are without the role: mom, husband, teacher, cab driver, christian, etc.. You would still be here rather those names/roles existed referring to you or not.</p>
<p>Most people think they are this little person in the head that is connected to the 5 senses. They think they are that body looking out the eyes and behind the eyes is who they are, but how can that be? The eyes are stimulus response to the brain. Maybe we are the brain? But how could that be, there is nothing inside the brain, the whole system of the brain is stimulus in response. Who the hell are you? Where is your location? Is it in the body?</p>
<p>I think if people investigate this by dropping all beliefs, they will find out that they are not who they were programmed to belief they are. There doesn&#8217;t seem to be anybody there running that machine we call a body. What the hell are we? What the hell are we doing? Is there really anything to be done?</p>
<p>If we get rid of the belief in the label: &#8216;empty-space&#8217;, it all becomes connected. If we get rid of the idea that there is someone inside this body thing, it all becomes pure awareness of what is. Then what is seen is that this awareness doesn&#8217;t move, it can&#8217;t move because everywhere the body seemly walks, it&#8217;s still there. It&#8217;s like a watching a movie screen and you see your legs moving as the images/appearances on the screen change. However the legs are not moving on the movie screen but the images are just changing. It seems like we are walking because it we feel the legs moving across the floor but feelings come and go and change just like the moving images on a movie screen. This awareness seems to just be sitting there doing nothing be being aware of the changing movie screen.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe this is the case, but it&#8217;s my experience once I dropped all beliefs. Oneness is not a concept, it&#8217;s what is seen/experienced when all concepts are dropped.</p>
<p>Just something to ponder&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Hennekes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Hennekes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s very interesting to see how people judge and discuss things based on their own beliefs.  To have a meaningful conversation with someone it’s important to know what their values are and what their beliefs are so that you can communicate with them in their language.

^ so true!

I have been attracting more meaningful conversations into my life lately and love I particularly enjoy conversations about spirituality.

I wrote  a similar article entitled the power of conversation

http://www.aboundlessworld.com/the-power-of-conversation/

Thanks Paul for your thought-provoking post :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s very interesting to see how people judge and discuss things based on their own beliefs.  To have a meaningful conversation with someone it’s important to know what their values are and what their beliefs are so that you can communicate with them in their language.</p>
<p>^ so true!</p>
<p>I have been attracting more meaningful conversations into my life lately and love I particularly enjoy conversations about spirituality.</p>
<p>I wrote  a similar article entitled the power of conversation</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aboundlessworld.com/the-power-of-conversation/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aboundlessworld.com/the-power-of-conversation/</a></p>
<p>Thanks Paul for your thought-provoking post <img src='http://www.paulymath.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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